Chullin 19

Today’s daf, Chullin 19, continues parsing a mishnah introduced yesterday. The mishnah presented a case of problematic ritual slaughter, in which the slaughterer began to cut along the correct area of the animal’s neck and then the knife slipped upward, completing the cut above the approved zone for kosher slaughter. That case inspired a series of inquiries in the Gemara into even more subtle deviations from “perfect” ritual slaughter that continue through most of today’s daf. Two of those cases are: slaughtering an animal by beginning to cut its neck at a location where the animal already has a natural or preexisting cut or hole, and slaughtering where there is no visible damage to the animal’s neck but, upon entering, the shochet finds internal damage. According to Rabbi Elazar:

In a case where one cuts in a place where there already is an (external) hole, the law is the same as a case where a gentile begins the slaughter and an Israelite completes it.
In a case where one cuts and then encounters an (internal) hole along the path of their knife, the law is the same as the case where an Israelite began the slaughter and a gentile completed the task.

Rabbi Elazar argues that the pre-existing hole, whether internal or external, is analogous to a cut made by a non-Jew. The halakhah provides that if a gentile begins the slaughter and a Jew completes it, the slaughter is valid. However, if a Jew begins the slaughter and a gentile completes it, the slaughter is invalid. This suggests, if we accept Rabbi Elazar’s rather deft comparison, that the first scenario above yields kosher meat, while the second does not.

But not according to Rabbi Elazar’s teacher, Rabbi Yohanan, who responds to his student’s argument derisively:

Gentile, gentile.

While the precise reason for this critique may not be abundantly clear, the tone certainly is. As if that’s not enough humiliation, Rava repeats Rabbi Yohanan’s disparagement of Rabbi Elazar, declaring:

Rabbi Yohanan was right when he said: “Gentile, gentile!”

Rava goes on to explain why he thinks Rabbi Elazar’s logic is faulty: A natural hole in an animal’s trachea is not comparable to one created by a gentile shochet.

I’m far more curious about a second why: Namely, why both Rabbi Yohanan and Rava felt the need to so thoroughly reject Rabbi Elazar’s thinking in this case, and mockingly dismiss his logical parallel, before Rava finally deigns to engage with Rabbi Elazar’s ideas.

The talmudic commentator Rashi implies that the crux of the rejection is that Rabbi Elazar’s logic is too cute by half. Rabbi Elazar composes a parallel that seems elegant on its surface, but as soon as you probe deeper, it makes little sense. Natural holes in animals’ windpipes are just not comparable to deliberate cuts made by humans. 

I celebrate and love Talmud study for many reasons. Perhaps chief among them are the Talmud’s careful preservation of dissenting viewpoints and its endlessly fascinating logical games. What Rashi seems to suggest here is that Rabbi Yohanan and Rava are wary of readers becoming too delighted by Rabbi Elazar’s logical gymnastics, too taken by the surface beauty of his dissenting view. So, they forcefully shut down Rabbi Elazar’s too-clever parallel with their mockery. In doing so, they warn us not to be drawn in by elegant tricks at the risk of not engaging or struggling with the material on a deeper level. Being clever is of course wonderful, but this daf warns us of the dangers of overly facile logic that distracts us from really thinking through issues and all their permutations from every angle they deserve to be examined. Rabbi Yohanan and Rava are arguing for deep and nuanced study, even when it’s difficult. May we all find that kind of inquiry in our progress through the Daf Yomi cycle.

Read all of Chullin 19 on Sefaria.

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