Democrats Don’t Have Internet

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In April 2005, The Solomon Project came out with a study showing that 77% of the American Jews voted for John Kerry in the 2004 Presidential Election, while only 22% voted for President Bush. These figures, of course, are not surprising, and I expect to see somewhat similar figures after the 2008 election.

That is why I find this new online poll from Jerusalem Post to be so interesting.  Of the 4,500 participants who voted, 75% said they are planning on voting for John McCain in November, while only 22% are planning on voting for Barack Obama.  74% of the participants also said that foreign policy was more significant for them than domestic policy.

While this poll is clearly skewed (for all we know, half the people voting may be from Israel), there is a shift going on in the Jewish community towards the Republican party.  I notice it among my friends, many of whom have fairly liberal views on domestic policy, yet are planning on voting for McCain in November.

Posted on September 16, 2008

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16 thoughts on “Democrats Don’t Have Internet

  1. The Doctor

    I don’t trust online polls.

    Most of the Jews I know are horrified by the possibility of Sarah Palin being VP to an elderly President with skin cancer, whereas a liberal feminist Jewish blogger I know has got everyone whipped up in a frenzy in favor of McCain. I suspect everyone of us would, if asked, have a different perception of what “most” Jews are feeling about this election.

    Show us objective, scientifically conducted polls, and I might believe it. Whether it matters to me what such polls say, I don’t know. Does anyone out there decide who to vote for because a poll says 77% of Jews support a particular candidate?

    I suspect the only thing I would get from such a poll is that some Jews are unbelievably smart because they think like I do, and other Jews are unbelievably foolish because they don’t. And I don’t know that I need that kind of validation…

  2. charnitzky

    I don’t buy anything the Jerusalem Post says–its readership is skewed way right.
    However, I also know liberal Jews who are (maybe) voting for McCain.
    Hate to say it, but I suspect a subtle racism is at work, that may be expressed as: “McCain is better for Israel” or “we just don’t know Obama well enough,” neither of which is supported by the facts. However well-hidden, it’s a shandah.

  3. Jason Brzoska

    Do you have any real stats? The Republicans were saying similar things before the 2004 elections, and the exit polls showed that Jews voted Democratic in roughly the same percentages that they have in prior elections.

  4. clara1

    Sarah Palin is a teeny bopper. Although she is 45, she acts like a teeny bopper. She is as scary as McCain because she doesn’t know what’s going on. She doesn’t know how to handle herself.

    I think that McCains getting a woman on the ticket was a smart idea, but he should have gotten one with a brain.

    Where I live, in Tennessee, a lot of people won’t vote for a black or a woman. Than worries me. Tennessee is full of fundamentalist xians who think that G-d made Ham black because of what he treated his father and made him black for sinning, but there is nothing in the Bible about that. And they don’t vote for women because G-d (or Jesus) said that a woman shouldn’t be the head of a church. But in the NT, there were women who were the heads of churches.

    It is very funny that the bones of the first peoples’ bones have been found in Africa.

    Well, I am liberal and Democrat. I thought that Bush might be middle of the road like Clinton, but he isn’t. He’s for the rich and his kind all the way. Bush didn’t know about anything when he entered the white house –being the governor of Texas didn’t qualify him for anything — Texas is really ruled by three and the governor is only one of them; that’s why Bush had to learn to work with other people, but as Prez, he calls the shots.

    I’ve read two books–The Bush Tragedy (2008), and the book by his press secretary that left and wrote a book (2008). The first book is excellent; I have read it twice and will read it a third time because it is a hard read but worth it. The other book is not as good, but gives the information on Bush.

  5. Ezekah

    Using anecdotes, I think the Republican party pro-Israel and the Democratic party is pro-Jewish. Both parties champion issues that I care about.

    I fail to see how Palin’s experience as a governor and mayor is inferior to Obama’s experience as a senator and community activist. Also, I don’t understand why people compare Obama’s experience to Palin’s experience in the first place. One is running as potential president, the other is running as the president. Shouldn’t the president have a better resume than the veep?

  6. The Doctor

    Ezekah,

    It’s important in this context because the likelihood of McCain dying in office, as potentially the oldest president at the time of taking office and having some significant health issues is not small; Biden is unlikely to rise to the presidency unless some wingnut assassinates Obama.

    Therefore the Republican VP candidate this time around has to be considered as President material much more than in the usual situation, as we have tended to have younger healthier presidents for the past 20 years or so. No one really thought that Dan Quayle or Al Gore were likely to be moving into the Oval Office without having to run for office but in this circumstance McCain’s pick is much more of a potential successor than just the traditional “what states will s/he carry for me” pick.

    That’s why her qualifications are being scrutinized and why some people would like her resume to be more presidential quality than under ordinary circumstances.

  7. Ezekah

    [The Doctor]That’s why her qualifications are being scrutinized and why some people would like her resume to be more presidential quality than under ordinary circumstances.

    Thank you Doc. I’ve been asking that question for the past week and this is the first answer I’ve received. How about my first question?

    How is Palin’s experience as a governor and mayor inferior to Obama’s experience as a senator and community activist?

  8. The Doctor

    My understanding is that the city of Wassilia has limited autonomy, as many of the functions that mayors of other cities have to perform are taken care of by a regional government; I think that she didn’t have to deal with school administration, for instance. So saying that she had experience managing a budget and Obama didn’t is a bit misleading. Alaska is a small state, administratively speaking, and has a less complex government than most other states. Obama did serve on a city council in a more complicated city than Wassilia, and you could argue that his city management experience is at least the equal of hers.

    I think a lot of the posturing on this issue is silly. If Palin is to be believed, and she as a mayor and governor has more administrative experience and presidential qualification than Obama and Biden, does that mean she has more administrative experience and presidential qualification than [Senator] McCain?

    The bigger issues are whether she is capable, either by experience or temperment, to sit in the big chair. I have serious questions about that, just as I have some concerns regarding her tendency to bring her religious views actively into her political conversation [see "teaching creation as science"] and her reported close ties with Jews for Jaysus. I would really like to see that explored in serious, nonscripted interviews.

  9. Ezekah

    [The Doctor]I think a lot of the posturing on this issue is silly. If Palin is to be believed, and she as a mayor and governor has more administrative experience and presidential qualification than Obama and Biden, does that mean she has more administrative experience and presidential qualification than [Senator] McCain?

    She’s not running against McCain, so her experience is additive to the Republican ticket.

    [The Doctor]The bigger issues are whether she is capable, either by experience or temperment, to sit in the big chair.

    I haven’t seen Obama display anything better.

    [The Doctor]I would really like to see that explored in serious, nonscripted interviews.

    The rules of the political game are setup against unscripted interviews. We, the people, tend to hold our politicians to a standard of perfection. So errors and mistakes are repeated over and over on the media as evidence of a candidate’s unsuitability for the position. Given this situation, it is little wonder why candidates don’t like to speak off the cuff.

  10. The Doctor

    [Ezekah]She’s not running against McCain, so her experience is additive to the Republican ticket.

    That’s not the point. The point I was making is that her argument that she’s more qualified than any Senator means she’s saying she’s more qualified than her own Senator. And I don’t think she really wants to say that in public.

    [Ezekah] I haven’t seen Obama display anything better.

    Again, not the point. That’s a common response, much like “That guy has poor business ethics; so don’t ask about mine.” The question is not about Palin vs Obama. The question is whether Palin is qualified to be President if something happens to McCain [as is quite possible].

    [Ezekah] The rules of the political game are setup against unscripted interviews. We, the people, tend to hold our politicians to a standard of perfection. So errors and mistakes are repeated over and over on the media as evidence of a candidate’s unsuitability for the position. Given this situation, it is little wonder why candidates don’t like to speak off the cuff.

    I can understand why someone would not like unscripted interviews; after all we all want to look our best. But it’s best not to make a big stink that you will only speak to the press if they treat you with “deference” or if you only grant access to friendly press like Fox. It gives the impression that you can’t stand up to questioning.

  11. clara1

    Palin is a disgrace to women. Like my case worker said, “she looked like a stripper,” just bring on the pole.

    I know that you all are ignoring me, but I know. and even if Obama doesn’t have any more experience, he acts like an adult, and had been in the US government, not just a Governor==remember George Bush, gov of Texas. He didn’t run Texas; Texas is run by three elected people only one is the gov. And the gov of Texas has to work with the other two people even if they are from a different party.

    clara

  12. Ezekah

    [The Doctor]Quote:
    That’s not the point. The point I was making is that her argument that she’s more qualified than any Senator means she’s saying she’s more qualified than her own Senator. And I don’t think she really wants to say that in public.

    If that’s your point, then I still don’t see the problem. If people are saying that Republicans are electing a soon-to-be-corpse, then they should have no problem with a veep more qualified than the short lived president.

    [The Doctor]Again, not the point. That’s a common response, much like “That guy has poor business ethics; so don’t ask about mine.” The question is not about Palin vs Obama. The question is whether Palin is qualified to be President if something happens to McCain [as is quite possible].

    Again, you miss the point. People are not saying that one has ethics (or experience) and the other does not. They are saying that both have experience, but Palin’s isn’t as good. I’m saying on a comparative level of their experiences, Obama hasn’t shown anything better than Palin’s.

  13. Ezekah

    [clara1]Palin is a disgrace to women.

    Do you honestly think that ALL women agree on all issues and belong to the same voting block? Last I looked, women belong to both political parties. I find it odd, that as a woman, you aren’t exicited on some level, that a woman could be elected on a presidential ticket. Instead of merely flinging insults at her because she has different opinions than you.

    [clara1]I know that you all are ignoring me, but I know. and even if Obama doesn’t have any more experience, he acts like an adult, and had been in the US government, not just a Governor==remember George Bush, gov of Texas. He didn’t run Texas; Texas is run by three elected people only one is the gov. And the gov of Texas has to work with the other two people even if they are from a different party.

    Obama is acting like a politician, telling everyone what they want to hear, and changing his message to suit his audience at the moment. McCain is acting like a statesman, telling everyone what they need to hear, and keeping his message consistent no matter who he is talking to. The contrast between the two men is very clear.

    I remember George Bush, easily among the top 5 Presidents in our history. Governors have the most similar experience to the Presidency. Legislators’ experiences just don’t come anywhere close.

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